My sister
called me this morning to ask if she thought my daughter Stephanie would be
offended by my son-in-law Daniel Triestman’s response to her devotional on this
blog:
I told her I
did not think so for both had presented a well thought out and articulate
Biblical perspective. Some people think the Word of God is as simple as: “God
said it. I believe it. That settles it.” But the Scriptures were written
through the inspiration of God Himself. And just as God’s thoughts are immense
and often very complicated (look at how He put our physical bodies together),
so His communication to us through His Word can be very deep and very full of
meaning. He shows great respect to us, His creatures, by giving us the Holy
Scriptures. The Apostle Peter says about the writings of the Apostle Paul, “His
letters contain some things which are hard to understand.” But, like all the
Scriptures, as we study them, we come to a greater (and more correct)
understanding.
So here’s
what Stephanie wrote:
As I’ve been
reading through the history of the Israelites in the desert for 40 years. I get
annoyed when people knock big-mouth Peter, doubting Thomas and the rest, but I
think the Israelites deserve any flack they get. The Israelites saw miracle
after miracle: were freed from the Egyptians; had food provided for them every
morning and every evening; had water supplied in the desert time and again;
conquered tribes and cities they never should have been able to; but they never
remember what the Lord did the last time, and they never believed enough to
consider that He would do it again.
Dan
responded:
In reference to God's faithfulness I would agree that all
of our doubts and reservations have been proven unwarranted. That being said, I
might argue that the Israelites should be extended the same grace given to
“big-mouth Peter” and “doubting Thomas.” Israel did not just witness the
natural and supernatural blessings of God, but they also saw the natural and
supernatural judgments of God. They were witness to history's most terrible
demonstrations of God's wrath. The “miracles after miracles” that Israel
witnessed were frightening acts of a vengeful God. They saw and experienced
numerous plagues. They endured forty years of wandering through hunger and
thirst. They buried friends and family. They were given 611 complicated
commandments and suffered dire consequences for minor deviations. They did not
have a personal relationship with God, but rather a national relationship which
meant that people would be judged because of the actions of their
representatives. The God they followed seemed constantly angry. He provided
bread with worms. He gave quail, but poisoned it. He gave water, but first made
the people to thirst.
We don't experience the miracles that Israel experienced, but we also don't experience the judgments either. We complain, but our complaints are not met with immediate death. We doubt, yet we can always see more than a meal or drink into the future. We disobey, but are not under a burdensome law. We covet, yet have a diet that consists of more than a daily serving of boiled bread. We have a personal relationship with our God and know Him as a God of grace.
Is it possible that Israel's complaints were not that God was going to let them die by forgetting about them, but rather that God was going to make them die by paying attention to them? How do you love a God that scares you?
We don't experience the miracles that Israel experienced, but we also don't experience the judgments either. We complain, but our complaints are not met with immediate death. We doubt, yet we can always see more than a meal or drink into the future. We disobey, but are not under a burdensome law. We covet, yet have a diet that consists of more than a daily serving of boiled bread. We have a personal relationship with our God and know Him as a God of grace.
Is it possible that Israel's complaints were not that God was going to let them die by forgetting about them, but rather that God was going to make them die by paying attention to them? How do you love a God that scares you?
Here’s
my take:
In
all ages, with all people, God is to be feared, Dan writes that we (of the
church age?) don’t experience
the miracles that Israel experienced, but we also don't experience the
judgments either. We complain, but our complaints are not met with immediate
death. But one of the first events of the church age
was the death of Ananias and Sapphira. All they did was keep some of their own
stuff instead of giving everything to the church in Jerusalem. Well, not quite.
They lied about what they gave, and conspired to lie, and when questioned,
stuck to their lie. Why did they do this? Most likely because they wanted to
appear just like everyone else who had given all that they had. But they didn’t
quite trust God enough to give away all of their stuff—like everyone else. Was
that such a big deal? Nobody messes with God, period. He is always the God of
grace, but at all times He is still God, holy, righteous and in charge.
At the end of Psalm 39 David pleads, “Look
away from me that I may smile again, before I depart and am no more.” vs 13 But this plea is an anomally from what David
typically asks of God. In the verse before he writes, “Hear my prayer. Do not
be silent to my tears.” vs 12 Continually
throughout the Psalms David is asking God to give him His attention and only
rarely does he ask God to look away from him. In asking God to look away here,
I believe David is acknowledging his faithlessness and thus the appropriateness
of God’s disciplines. But he knows God is so good and so merciful that he also
writes, “And now, Lord, for what do I wait? My hope is in you. Deliver me from
all my transgressions.” vs 7&8
Did
the Israelites get a bad deal from God? Was His relationship with them all
about fear? Was it all about the nation and not at all about the individual? To
those who did not respond to Him in His kindness, that was certainly the case,
but what about Joshua and Caleb and Rahab, and Moses himself? As God said in
the 2nd commandment, “For I the Lord your God am a jealous God,
visiting the iniquities of the fathers to the third and fourth generation to
those who hate me, but showing steadfast love to thousands (of generations) to
those who love me and keep my commandments.”
The
only Israelites who got worms in their manna were the ones who specifically did
not trust Him to provide manna for the next day; and the only Israelites who
got the plague while the quail meat “was still in their teeth,” were the ones who
demonstrated by their weeping for the meat of Egypt, that after all God had
brought them through, all they cared about was food.
God
said in the 2nd commandment, “For I the Lord your God am a jealous
God, visiting the iniquities of the fathers to the third and fourth generation
to those who hate me, but showing steadfast love to thousands (of generations)
to those who love me and keep my commandments.”
Always
God’s mercy and lovingkindness and faithfulness far surpass His judgments.
“But
God commendeth His love towards us in that while we were yet sinncers Christ
died for us.
What
do you think, did the Israelites get a much worse deal from God than He gave
the disciples of Jesus or has given to us?
I Corinthians 10 speaks of how the circumstances of ancient Israel “happened as an example to us.” The lesson we prefer to learn from Israel's example is that Jehovah is a gracious God, patiently enduring a stiff-necked, rebellious people. But the lesson we see in I Corinthians 10 is that despite God's provisions, Israel sinned and was “laid low;” that even while being a people of God there remains a consequence to sin.
ReplyDelete“What about Joshua and Caleb and Rahab, and Moses himself?” Well Joshua and Caleb saw more blood and war than any man should. They lived the lives of merciless raiders, storming towns and brutally murdering all inhabitants. Their only alternative to this life, of course, was to die like their contemporaries at the hands of an angry God. They watched everyone they ever loved die in the wilderness. Rahab committed treason and let all her countrymen die so that she might live. After watching all her neighbors be savagely slaughtered, Rahab was rewarded by God in that she and her family would have the privilege of living out their lives as slaves. Moses left a cushy life as a shepherd to lead the people of Israel to the promised land. After a lifetime of obedience and devotion to God he was left to die in the wilderness because he committed the unforgivable sin of hitting a rock.
Everyone who brutally died, died because of sin. But not everyone who has sinned, brutally dies. We can certainly see God as merciful, but would the Israelites or the Canaanites agree that God's “mercy and lovingkindness far surpass His judgments?”
You bring up the illustration of Ananias and Sapphira. Do you think that supernatural wonders are necessarily coupled with supernatural judgments? Is living two thousand removed from regular miracles a safer place for a Christian?